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olemalm
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PDFtoMusic Pro 64 - version 171d - makes an error in all vocal parts by change to a new page. It includes the bar number in the lyrics, see ex. bar 10, which should be (only) -cor / mi- / -am for the first 3 parts.
Have tried version 174 - which has the same error - and also make some BIG < signs.
Seems to me version 171d exports much better (no other errors at all) than the newer version, at least in my case.
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Re: Bar numbers in lyrics?
« Reply #1 on: Jun 6th, 2022, 8:57pm » |
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Perhaps the bar number is too close to the lyrics. Often one has no way to improve the quality and layout of the input PDF. Would you join it?
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Thanks to ANdre_B. Input PDF is third-party copyrighted, so here's an extract of 4 pages. Bar numbers are in some cases condidered "Measure #" and in other "Lyrics text".
If htere was a possibility to remove/not allow bar numbers in PTM Pro, it would work (I Guess). After export bar numbers could be added in HA.
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Re: Bar numbers in lyrics?
« Reply #3 on: Jun 7th, 2022, 3:01pm » |
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Well, the problem is that, if there were an option not to import existing bar numbers, this wouldn't help since PDTtoMusic does not consider them (here) as bar number but as lyrics.
An option "skip digits in lyrics" would perhaps help. Or a script which remove numerics from lyrics...
Now, you'll agree with me that these bar numbers are at a place and height where they can easily be confused. Think of what would happen if bar 8 was first on its line...
These fee-pdf's of public domain works are often poorly made. And copyrighting them is illegal.
On CPDL, there are a few PDF versions of this work, I only tried the first one and it gaves apparently a good result with PDFtoMusic.
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Re: Bar numbers in lyrics?
« Reply #4 on: Jun 7th, 2022, 4:44pm » |
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Thanks again, ANdre_B. I am going through the examples on CPDL and there's more or less "errors" when exported to HA. In PDFtoMusic they look quite good, but not 100% after exporting - or there are copyrights incl. ".. non commercial" (which I can't use).
I will find the one on CPDL or elsewhere which is easiest to correct in HA when exported there ...
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Re: Bar numbers in lyrics?
« Reply #5 on: Jun 7th, 2022, 6:06pm » |
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on Jun 7th, 2022, 4:44pm, olemalm wrote:| - or there are copyrights incl. ".. non commercial" (which I can't use). |
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Strange, and unusual on CPDL. Would you send me a reference, or a link, to these?
I'll check if this is not simply an "abuse of right".
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Re: Bar numbers in lyrics?
« Reply #7 on: Jun 8th, 2022, 4:30pm » |
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Yes, I see this CC BY NC
Most of the works on CPDL are simply copyright CPDL which obviously authorizes copies.
When indicating NC, it must mean that the copy authorization is only for non-commercial. Else, why would anybody publish that on CPDL.
In any case, and even if you may want to handle this score and make business with it, remember that a Copyright notice does not mean anything meaningful - just a nostalgy for the old (US) way of protecting.
But to make a puiblic domain work again protected, one must have a new co-author (displayed on the cover page). This may be a new harmonization, an orchestration, a translation (but then it's only for the text) anything that adds (eventually remove notes).
Simply copying, fomatting or any "edition" of a work does not make you a new co-author!
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Re: Bar numbers in lyrics?
« Reply #8 on: Sep 28th, 2022, 8:54pm » |
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Certain types of editing might warrant a copyright, but only on the edits. The basic work, if old enough, remains in the public domain.
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Christopher_Moore_Ws-alle-mi3.pdf_extract.pdf