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Tutoriel HA/GPO
« on: May 31st, 2023, 9:56am » |
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Bonjour,
J'ai repris dans les échanges d'expériences le tuto de Muffit intitulé Harmony/Melody Assistant et GPO Studio. Je rencontre deux problèmes:
1) Dans la fenêtre configuration matérielle, il fait apparaître GPO Studio 1, puis 2, etc. J'ai ce soft, qui s'appelle maintenant Aria Player, sur mon ordi mais je ne sais pas comment le rendre disponible pour ce dialogue de configuration matérielle. Il n'apparaît pas dans la liste qui s'ouvre lorsqu'on clique sur la petite flèche noire. Quelqu'un peut-il/elle me dépanner ?
2) Dans la procédure pour choisir les instruments GPO à utiliser avec HA, dans la capture d'écran, ces instruments apparaissent dans l'interface de Kontakt, qui n'est pas mentionné dans le texte. Je ne comprends pas pourquoi il est fait appel au player Kontakt alors que GPO a son propre player appelé GPO Studio puis Aria.
Merci d'avance à qui voudra bien éclairer ma lanterne.
Cordialement
Pierre
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Re: Tutoriel HA/GPO
« Reply #1 on: Jun 6th, 2023, 5:40am » |
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Hi Pierre,
I looked it up on the internet, and I understand the original Garritan Orchestra ran on KontaKt 2.
I would guess your version of GPO is one of those early ones. One forum suggested that a the modern Kontakt player may not run this, but another person whose name I recognise as a bit of an authority in the industry, added in march 2023 that the lastest kontakt ( or least kontakt 5 ) would run it ok.
Which would explain why you are having to use the Kontakt player. And work I believe, through the studio software.
The reason is that the GPO instrument files you have will be in Kontakt format.
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To use the Aria player it has to be configured for use as standalone, setting a mid input ( a midi cable) exactly as you did forAmadeus. . And set the outputs.
However, the Aria format of instrument is different , rather like a sound font, and can't be played by Kontakt.
To use Aria sounds you would have to (unfortunately) buy the latest GPO% Aria based version.
There may be good reason to use GPO with Kontakt---- if indeed it does work on your setup.
i.e The Aria version comes with a mixer with sliders for volumes and pans etc.
When I use kontakt with HA it allows me to alter volumes and various things from HA. This may not be possible with the Aria mixer overiding.
( there are quite a few players that are intended to be , as it were, always part of the editing and playing screen set up, so that the staff assigned to it, will be set only by those sliders.)
OH. there is one other thing, My computer sound card can surprisingly handle Kontakt, plus one other different VST player. Just luck. And it has other in/outs that can ahandle HA sound at the same time. I suggested ( years ago) that you could use the more forgiving built in windows fast system.
I am just worried that if you try to use Aria as well as Kontakt they may be incompatible . Hoping it all goes well.
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Note about GPO ....
long sustained notes on GPO will NOT be made louder or quieter by changing velocity.
A piano, (of which Aria GPO has a recognised " top of the line" standard ) and short staccato notes of other instruments and harp etc will work with velocity loudness.
But for long notes the velocity usually just alters the rate of note attack. It is unfortunately standard on practice on most modern VST instrument players. A few good players still allow velocity, like HA uses, to be applied on all notes. To alter the loudness on GPO long notes you have to use a curve assigned to a mid cc 1 ... the modulation wheel.
The wheel value can control vibrato , but in GPO it's meant to be used for loudness and using different samples for richer sound in louder notes .
Its expected you will add live input from a modulation wheel as the music plays. Though also one can just draw it in on a usual "Digital Audio Workstation" . A "DAW", as they call it.
However you may be able to alter loudness separately with an HA volume curve . ( though its probable that Aria GPO deliberately doesn't react to it. )
Otherwise , for volume there are midi " curves" in HA, and once you have the right CC formula for the mod wheel data for the curve you could draw in curves and lines for volume changes.
More later if needed. If my confusion is not too much to bear!
David.
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Re: Tutoriel HA/GPO
« Reply #2 on: Jun 6th, 2023, 8:30am » |
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Hi David,
I am very happy and grateful to read you so abundantly. As you can see, my question has been read 283 times but your answer is the only one!
I'm a little hesitant to ask you again but for years I've been trying to play my music or the one I'm adapting with HA with high quality sounds, without success. You once wrote that each time you take up these questions again you have the impression that you no longer know anything: this is also my case, alas, and my experience with Amadeus that you mention is an illustration of this phenomenon: I can't reproduce it!!
First of all, I have to clarify one thing: I have no a priori preference for the sounds of GPO or those of Amadeus; I bought both sound bases and I'm assuming they're about the same quality. My problem is finding a solution that allows me to use either one or the other (but not both of them together, of course). If this time I tried the configuration with GPO, it is because I found this HA/GPO tutorial in the exchanges of experiences on Myriad website but I see that it poses compatibility problems between various versions. So if there are these kind of problems with GPO, I prefer to use the sounds of Amadeus and I tried again recently, going back to the long explanations you provided on the forum a few years ago, but without success. I collected everything that was written on the Myriad forum about HA used with external sounds but unfortunately nothing helped and I couldn't find an HA/Amadeus tutorial that helps me solve this problem.
That said, I don't want you to do all the research and thinking around this second possibility, namely HA with Amadeus; I will, as you did, do some research on the Internet and see if I find such a tutorial on another forum. My problem is that my knowledge of computer music, sound processing and acoustics is too basic (and maybe also my neurons a little tired from the years!).
So for now, unless you know of a ready-made HA/Amadeus solution, don't bother answering, I'll do my own research.
Very gratefully, with friendly regards
Pierre
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Re: Tutoriel HA/GPO
« Reply #3 on: Jun 14th, 2023, 3:41pm » |
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Hello David
I did some searching on various websites and forums and learned a couple of tings, but there is still a problem I wasn't able to solve on HA: I was able to select up to 4 folders into the external modules window but when I open the "material configuration" with the 12 MIDI outputs and click on the small arrow in front of each MIDI output, the virtual devices I just selected don't appear. Probably I forgot to do something essential but what ? I seem to remember an occasion when these "virtual devices" did appear, but How did I achieve this ? That's the question.
If you have an idea ?
MAny thanks
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Re: Tutoriel HA/GPO
« Reply #4 on: Jun 16th, 2023, 1:27am » |
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Hi Pierre, I presume we are talking about switching on HQ , and using HA's system for external vst's ?
My HA is a very old version, but I suppose it's the same. The "external" vsts , once they are 'recognized,' don't appear in the list of 12 midi slots. The vst's actually appear in a third option on the "Staff instrument editing " menu.
That is; on the top left of the panel where you switch between digital sound or midi output. when you click the' external ' item, you get a panel with a list of the VSTI that have been recognized by HA.
And I have to add, you may not have much success using them.
Some older and simpler VSTs will operate o.k . (Though when I tried to use the VST instrument internal selection, or sub menus other than the default visible instruments, some would instantly crash HA. )
Also the sound level can be very low and may need an HA equalizer placed on the track to boost the sound.
However, if you try a modern high quality VST I found that in some cases, a full panel appeared, but would crash when trying to load or play an instrument. Or no panel at all would appear!
Or Kontakt, for example, appears as a simple one line panel, with a disk load icon. I could use the icon to load a particular Kontakt instrument ( an ".nki " file) and it would play,..very quietly.
Further, whenever you restart " play" in an HA score, Kontakt reloads the instrument into new RAM memory, gradually using up large quantities of Ram. I don't think you could use many such instruments.
I would guess it is not very easy to use the samples from the vst as a separate item in HA playback.. It was a good idea, but dificult to do completely.
Maybe the latest HA will work better with VSTI?
But I think it may be that the modern sample sets are by design not easily accessible.
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As an alternative, I thought you were getting some good sounds from Amadeus. It was obviously working for you at one stage. And it's true that in standalone mode you can get really good stereo sound, without any limitations of an HA staff output.
Hmmm. There might be other options (for free) better sound , using sound fonts and a particular player that's simple to use with HA, ( I use it all the time) but I think that Amadeus would have better brass sounds and a wider variation of most others.
Oh well, .. good luck. David.
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Re: Tutoriel HA/GPO
« Reply #5 on: Jun 16th, 2023, 7:44am » |
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Hello David and thank you again,
I admire you for your patience because it seems to me that for several years you keep giving me roughly the same answers to the same questions that I ask in more or less varied ways.
From that of this night (here, it was night!) it seems that there are technical reasons why we cannot get HA to play with external sounds. I would still like to persevere (or rather keep with obstination) but I know it would be at your expense! I remember you and other members very much enjoyed an adaptation of Peter and the Wolf posted on this forum; I will find it and try to inspire myself without asking you more. Thank you again and my apologies for this harassment. Thank you also for your Good Luck.
Friendly regards
Pierre
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